Gregory Childers

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    A Chinese artificial intelligence company called DeepSeek has released an AI app with development costs estimated at only $6 million. OpenAI, Google, and other major US companies are on track to invest roughly $1 trillion over the coming years. The news has caused NVIDIA to lose 15% of its stock value in one day.

    The exceptionally low development cost, and the fact that it runs on older processors, have rocked the AI market.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-deepseek-ai-china-stock-nvidia-nvda-asml/
     
    I teach AI and I re-iterate to my students repeatedly that China is streets ahead of us in AI and supporting technologies and that we are as a nation and tech. industry in complete denial of this. All you have to do is look at a simple example of comparing BYD to Tesla. No contest.

    -Moez
    However, I question whether the gap is more complex than "streets ahead." For example, the U.S. continues seems to lead in fundamental research and industry-academia collaboration, even while China has dominated in AI implementation and scale (consider OpenAI's international alliances or hardware advances like Nvidia's chips).

    It's becoming a true global race, so perhaps the underlying lesson is that neither nation can afford to be complacent.
     
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    I continue to be amazed at the capability of these AI products. A difficult concept I learned decades ago in law school was the Rule Against Perpetuities. If I tried to explain it, with my years of education, I simply could not have done a better job than the answer I received to the following question I raised with DeepSeek(R1) and the answer it gave:

    Question:
    What law limits the capability of deeding real property to an unborn great-grandchild?

    Answer:
    The law that typically limits the capability of deeding real property to an unborn great-grandchild is known as the **Rule Against Perpetuities**. This legal principle is designed to prevent the indefinite tying up of property and to ensure that ownership is determined within a reasonable time frame.

    Key Points of the Rule Against Perpetuities:
    1. **Time Frame**: The rule generally requires that any future interest in real property must vest, if at all, no later than 21 years after the death of a life in being at the time the interest was created. This means that the property must be transferred or vested within a certain period, typically within a generation or two.
    2. **Unborn Heirs**: Since a great-grandchild may not be born within the permissible time frame (i.e., within 21 years after the death of the last relevant life in being), deeding property directly to an unborn great-grandchild could violate the Rule Against Perpetuities.
    3. **Exceptions and Modifications**: Some jurisdictions have modified the Rule Against Perpetuities or created exceptions to make it less restrictive. For example, some states in the U.S. have adopted the **Uniform Statutory Rule Against Perpetuities (USRAP)**, which allows a longer period (e.g., 90 years) for interests to vest.
    4. **Trusts as an Alternative**: To work around the Rule Against Perpetuities, property owners often use trusts. A trust can be structured to benefit future generations, including unborn great-grandchildren, without violating the rule, as long as the trust terms comply with the applicable perpetuity period.

    Practical Implications: - If you attempt to deed property directly to an unborn great-grandchild, the transfer may be deemed invalid under the Rule Against Perpetuities. - Legal advice is essential when planning to transfer property to future generations, as the rule can be complex and varies by jurisdiction.

    In summary, the Rule Against Perpetuities is the primary legal doctrine that limits the ability to deed real property to an unborn great-grandchild, ensuring that property interests are resolved within a reasonable time frame.
     
    Timely post, Greg!

    I don't know if I agree with Moez that any nation-state is ahead or behind another in terms of technology development. While a lot of development may happen in the US, there are folks of all different nationalities on those teams. I'll also point out that standards organizations like IETF and FIRST have scheduled more meetings outside than in the US over the past to reach the global development community.

    What I find interesting about DeepSeek is that it claims to be open-source. The code is posted at Github at https://github.com/deepseek-ai if anyone wants to take a look. Their documentation makes for interesting reading.
     
    I continue to be amazed at the capability of these AI products. A difficult concept I learned decades ago in law school was the Rule Against Perpetuities. If I tried to explain it, with my years of education, I simply could not have done a better job than the answer I received to the following question I raised with DeepSeek(R1) and the answer it gave:

    Question:
    What law limits the capability of deeding real property to an unborn great-grandchild?

    Answer:
    The law that typically limits the capability of deeding real property to an unborn great-grandchild is known as the **Rule Against Perpetuities**. This legal principle is designed to prevent the indefinite tying up of property and to ensure that ownership is determined within a reasonable time frame.

    Key Points of the Rule Against Perpetuities:
    1. **Time Frame**: The rule generally requires that any future interest in real property must vest, if at all, no later than 21 years after the death of a life in being at the time the interest was created. This means that the property must be transferred or vested within a certain period, typically within a generation or two.
    2. **Unborn Heirs**: Since a great-grandchild may not be born within the permissible time frame (i.e., within 21 years after the death of the last relevant life in being), deeding property directly to an unborn great-grandchild could violate the Rule Against Perpetuities.
    3. **Exceptions and Modifications**: Some jurisdictions have modified the Rule Against Perpetuities or created exceptions to make it less restrictive. For example, some states in the U.S. have adopted the **Uniform Statutory Rule Against Perpetuities (USRAP)**, which allows a longer period (e.g., 90 years) for interests to vest.
    4. **Trusts as an Alternative**: To work around the Rule Against Perpetuities, property owners often use trusts. A trust can be structured to benefit future generations, including unborn great-grandchildren, without violating the rule, as long as the trust terms comply with the applicable perpetuity period.

    Practical Implications: - If you attempt to deed property directly to an unborn great-grandchild, the transfer may be deemed invalid under the Rule Against Perpetuities. - Legal advice is essential when planning to transfer property to future generations, as the rule can be complex and varies by jurisdiction.

    In summary, the Rule Against Perpetuities is the primary legal doctrine that limits the ability to deed real property to an unborn great-grandchild, ensuring that property interests are resolved within a reasonable time frame.
    Took it for a spin myself with some abstract algebra prompts. Very impressive feedback.

    -Moez
     
    In conjunction with my use of the DeepSeek application, I did use an account I created (e.g. "[email protected]") to access the site and also used a Google Voice phone number that's connected with the account. One cannot be too careful based upon privacy concerns, particularly when dealing with the site's country of origin. This approach was based on the following AI generated information:

    AI Overview
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    To login to a DeepSeek account using an anonymous email, you can create a new email address specifically for DeepSeek using a disposable email service and use that email to register for the platform; however, be aware that DeepSeek may require phone verification for account creation, potentially limiting anonymity.
     
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    In conjunction with my use of the DeepSeek application, I did use an account I created (e.g. "[email protected]") to access the site and also used a Google Voice phone number that's connected with the account. One cannot be too careful based upon privacy concerns, particularly when dealing with the site's country of origin.
    Too careful = use someone else's name for nefarious purposes... I guess that's what I get, eh?

    Alibaba released their AI model which they claim outperforms DeepSeek, OpenAI, and Meta.
    With all this, with DeepSeek now being investigated for ripping off OpenAI , here's your song, Greg:



    /r
     
    So, what is the group's take here? Is DeepSek completely new or was is trained by using some other model (ChatGPT) as is suggested in popular press?
    My vote is 'unapologetically stolen'.

    And if this is to be believed - TinyZero..for $30 and a few hours time...sound like BlackFedoraAI could be on the horizon.

    (if I can find a few hours time)

    /r